11.09.2007

Say Uncle!

In recent weeks there’s been a lot of talk about torture. No, not endless reruns of American Idol on the Fox Reality channel. Real torture. Spanish Inquisition, locked in a concrete room, toothpicks under the fingernails torture. Or maybe those are just “tough interrogation techniques.” Apparently it’s difficult to say exactly what torture is. Some of the brightest minds in our country seem to be having trouble deciding what constitutes torture, with the latest controversy coming over the practice of waterboarding.

I am neither a government agent, nor a former prisoner of war, so I have no firsthand experience with waterboarding. But from what I have been able to understand, the practice involves strapping someone to a board at an incline, covering the head with some sort of material, and pouring water over the face to simulate the sensation of drowning. Depending on which variation is used, it may also involve pouring water directly into the mouth to force inhalation of water into the lungs. The practice dates back at least as far as the Spanish Inquisition, has been practiced by the likes of the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia and has long been considered serious enough to be prosecuted as a war crime by many countries – including the United States. However, during the past several years, several Administration officials, including both the CIA and FBI directors and Vice President Cheney have confirmed the use of waterboarding on some prisoners and have made the statement that our government does not (or more accurately, no longer) considers the practice to be a form of torture.

So, is waterboarding torture? Well, sometimes, things are what they are. That contraption parked in front of your desk with a seat, a back, possibly arms, maybe some wheels, that is a chair. You sit in it, you recline in it, you spin around in it and sometimes fall asleep in it. Regardless of who sits in it, or what they may do in it, it’s still a chair. That big flat thing in your bedroom with a mattress, blankets and pillows, that’s a bed. Not a chair. You can call it a chair if you want, but it will still be a bed. You can sit on it, recline on it, jump on it, fall asleep on it, perform whatever chair function you want on it. Doesn’t matter. It’s not a chair. It’s a bed. If waterboarding has been used as torture for hundreds of years, prosecuted as torture when engaged in by other entities, and labeled torture by those who may have been victims of it (i.e. Senator John McCain), then you’ll forgive me if I don’t believe the Vice President when he tries to tell me it isn’t torture. He knows it is. He simply doesn’t care. He’s decided that he will do whatever he damn well pleases, whenever he damn well pleases, whether anyone likes it or not.

There is a difference between an aggressive interrogation and a torture session. Making someone uncomfortable - maybe roughing him up a little – is not the same as drowning him. We can – and will continue to debate the effectiveness and the morality of torturing a suspect for information we believe to be vital. These are questions we will be wrestling with long after this war is over. Let’s not cheapen the discourse by pretending we don’t understand what it is we’re talking about. Waterboarding is torture. Agents of our government have waterboarded prisoners in the past and are prepared to do it again. Let’s take it from there.

4 comments:

Tiiu said...

I agree...I can dress up like a cat...roam around on all fours and meow...but I am still a human.
I guess the Gov't is so use to having people take them at their word...and now thinks that they can say anything and have everybody fall into line behind them.
The gov't would get more respect and cooperation from the rest of the world if they didn't play these stupid games. OF COURSE it's torture...sheesh...but they just call it 'interrogation'...whatever...They just have to realize that they are only fooling themselves...and making public asses out of themselves with the world as their audience.
NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT....
it is 2007 ... shouldn't the world be completely rid of the flu by now???? and the cold? SHEESH...where is all that money for research going????

Kristina said...

that's a very good analogy. even if i believe my life is in danger if i don't call the bed a chair, it's still a bed. i think the only argument i can think of for the other side is that perhaps waterboarding is more like a futon...not exactly a bed, not exactly a chair. but i suppose it's either a chair or a bed at any given time.
personally, i think waterboarding is torture in any iteration. any time you cause a person to think they are imminently going to die to force them to reveal information is torture. simple.
our policy should be, "we don't torture people, and we punish those who do." now, you know that i also believe that if we must do it (and i stress the MUST), then we must do it, but if our agents are caught torturing people, they should have to face the consequences. i want america to be safe too, but not at the expense of our humanity. again, simple.

Tiiu said...

I agree with Kristina !!
I think it would be funny if the policy was..."damn straight we torture the bad people !" ... 'nuff said. THAT way...people know what they are going up against...when doing stupid things...that will land them in the custody of whatever group has that policy. Can't torture just be something like being tied up and having your feet tickled with a really long feather ? That always worked in the cartoons....

Jeff said...

Thanks for taking this on.

Like I've said (www.justicelives.blogspot.com), we have an enlightened insight into this topic--treat others how we want to be treated. To relegate this concept to the "spiritual" world would be to miss how Gandhi applied this and other teachings to political issues.

Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time; the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence."

State the goal as you like (make the U.S. more safe or to irradicate terror from the world), but either way we must not increase terror and violence to that end. Ends don't justify the means; ends are inherent in the means. It will come back to bite us.

We can't become what we are trying to get rid of. Animal Farm.

We must show the world that we are serious about the war on terror by truly being against terror, not by using more terror to fight it.

Golden Rule: Treat our prisoners like we want our sons and daughters to be treated when captured--given food and water, not electrocuted, not subjected to waterboarding, frequenly inspected by the Red Cross, not held indefinitely. We don't want other countries to find legal loopholes to make our kids sit in a living hell, so we shouldn't do that to them.